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mikes

for some reason you engaged your brain in this thread making some astute and erudite comments. some how this does not bleed into your comments on other threads.

starting out with a dead moose on the haul back, we end up discussing adam’s missing rib. gotta love it

think about it

either way, thanks for the great words here.

z

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so one moose in 30+ years is killed at FAR. yes it is a shame that our human activities and the perceived threat from the moose caused it to be killed.

to put it in a broader perspective, ungulates are killed every week on the highway between fernie, sparwood and elkford. i don’t see any of the posters on this thread advocating a 40km an hour speed limit to "save" those animals. if it was only one a week (some weeks i know it is more) over 30 years that’s more than 1500 animals killed. in that context of death to ungulates, the moose is a blip. less than one tenth of one percent. statistically insignificant.

to the moose, the death is not insignificant. it is final, and a shame.

two things to snowvalley. feeding hay to moose, elk and deer at this time of year causes them to founder (gas bloat) and die. painflully. their systems are not able to digest the hay. that’s a "fact" for you that you ought to know.

and if you want to know the food bank ("provide some facts"), with a handle like snow valley, you should know who to talk to so you can wander in as an impoverished, starving ski bum and scam some free moose meat. i’ll not be the one to help you pull that scam.

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the moose was bleed, gutted and taken to a butcher to finish up. the packaged meat was donated to the food bank.

this thread is a little lacking in facts. they spent over a week trying to get the moose off the cat track.

in all the years FAR operated, this is the first instance of a moose being shot. usually with the combined efforts of FAR and conservation officer, they succeed in leading them away.

on the other hand, there are problem bears that have to be relocated or shot on a regular basis due to the housing and activities on the hill.

this moose is a blip in the big picture. it may be another 30+ years before it happens again.

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it’s best if you can get a sled and troll.

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cincott farms on the highway, sort of next to the stop and shop has the eggs you want.

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here’s one from a member of the kinesset that was on board the same ship.

http://www.truth-out.org/arab-israeli-p … reats60587

in international waters, an armed attack is considered piracy.

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an interview with kevin neish on the boarding

http://www.truth-out.org/eyewitness-isr … rmara60492

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everyone here who has not read daniel quinn’s Ishmael, should do so. his premise of takers and leavers gives a unique perspective on the problem.

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"earth1st" wrote:

Demographics is working against Fernie as a option for recreation. The over 50 don’t play, they sit and watch the weather change.

And the resourse that youth require is people, not coal or gas. Rocket scientists desire neighbours who are rocket scientists, etc..

Skiers are a diminishing group.

Time will tell where people move my friend…

you are so off base you must be blind. i’m 60. skied well over 100 days and mountain bike or hike every day. i take my vacations in places where i can climb or surf.

i revel in the weather changes because i am not sitting, i am doing.

a windy day like today is great.

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there is the oft asked question, "how do you make a small fortune in the ski industry?"

the answer. "start with a large one."

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"FU_ILL" wrote:

The new access road will wind to the lake and be open year around.

300 condo’s and dozens of monster homes will surround the lake.

A new ski lift will spin up Mount Fernie.

Usage will increase 100 fold, year around.

This weeks BS Dialogue focus on saving Wildlife. The proposed activity will be very effective in pushing wildlife out of the valley.

The greedy NY capitalist is spinning whatever BS is necessary.

CBM will have less impact on the valley.

There will be a new road which is completely stupid. They should keep the old road and have snow coach access in the winter and limited resident car access in the summer. Developing a year-round road will destroy the ambiance of the lodges. Numerous current snow cat guests have said they will reconsider visitng if the road is put in. And maintaining the road will cost more than running snow coaches for guests and residents.

Max units (including current ones to be moved) is right at 300.

Two new fixed grip quads will be built on Mt Fernie and a base lodge.

Usage may be 100 fold or more, but it is concentrated in current usage areas (except for the ski area) not dispersed throughout the property,

Originally the new power lines and the road would have gone through the old growth forest and Steve K stopped that and moved it across the valley and up the hill. There have been concerted efforts to keep development in current usage areas.

About spin. There is a huge question as to the economical viability of the project. The cost of the infastructure is huge. Their own sewer plant. The new road alone would sink most projects. This sort of "enclave" is having major problems staying afloat. The Yellowstone Club just went into Ch 11 after years of struggling. Tamarck did the same a year ago. All the spin in the world will not change the numbers. Right now if you ask any developer (local or national) about the project and the numbers as presented, they will say it will not work.

There is no comparison with CBM. CBM is a mesh of roads and pipe lines spread across the land without thought. It completely de-populates the environment. The IIL proposal is a concentrated development that leaves much of the critical areas on the land undisturbed. Two very different animals

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liberal,

i’m interested in your data. and more of the same. where did it come from?

thanks

zip

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so mr ny (or mr ca) owns the land and is upset at the disregard of locals.

so what?

from now on, you want to play, you pay.

when it was for free you (some locals) trashed mr ny’s (mr ca’s) land and he’s upset that the locals do not respect the inherent natural value of the land so he may cut the non-paying, non-respecting guests out of the formula.

makes total sense to me.

if someone doesn’t get it, dump ’em. now.

you don’t like it, buy the place and turn it into a locals park to trash like maiden lake. but until then, be happy it’s in the hands of someone who appreciates the natural value and the beauty of the property. someone who will take the effort to preserve the natural beauty of the property.

and for your information, this is not a new issue. the preservation of island lake as a park was first raised in the 1920’s. see the free-press issues of that time.

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"FU_ILL" wrote:

For your record Zippy:

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ Garbage has way less impact that condos and more people.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ The flow of urban SUV’s driving to and from the lodge has more impact than locals ever had.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ ILL cuts ski runs every Summer. Is this better than harvesting?

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ The new OCP will not be "off the grid" or self sustained in any way.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ The land would be public if Shell Oil had favoured the BC gov’t of the day.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ Cisco is ILL’s largest food supplier.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ The mines are the Valleys biggest employer by far.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ Yo do work for ILL, admit it.

?¢‚Ǩ¬¢ A few months in the Valley gives you a narrow perspective, newbie!

1. Agreed. But at this time there are no hard and fast plans for condos and the process will likely take 5 to 7 years before they turn dirt (look at the Coal Creek Golf Course). The current issue is garbage, unruly local and how that impacts guests/access. It’s getting closed. Having watched this last summer, I wouldn’t blame them at all if they closed it off to everything but guest motorized traffic.

2. Not true. Most of the traffic in the summer is local, not guest. Guests drive up and stay.

3. Perhaps, but not determined at this time. At the very least it will be a combination.

4. If my research is correct, the BC gov’t declined an original offer to take it as a park and only then the property was offered for public sale. That’s a BC gov’t issue not a Shell issue.

5. I don’t know for sure, but I’d guess that Cisco is the largest supplier. In no way does that diminish the huge amount of produce they buy from Cindy, the Creston orchards and the 4-H beef they buy every year.

6. True. The mines are the biggest employer. And about the only ones growing. FAR had the same number of winter employees last year as they had 8 years ago. IIL has increased in the last three or four years.

7. Not true and not going to happen. I do not and will not work for ILL.

8. I may be a newbie on the board, but I’ve had a FAR pass for the last 8 years and more than get my money out of it. And I don’t ski at Christmas or on weekends, so figure it out. Mid-week most days I want to, I’m on the hill.

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island lake lodge is a privately owned land holding. as such they have a right to restrict the usage of their land as they see fit. in the last few years they have eliminated timber harvesting, cattle grazing and much of the non-guest motorized use on the property. this allowed the land to recover from a generation of over abuse. for instance, five years ago thistles (a invasive non-native plant) occurred throughout the valley because of the over grazing. now they are virtually non-existent.

the Lodge is off the grid on their own hydro plant. they support local businesses rather than the biggies–Cindy at Cincot Farms in a great example–and they are one of the lead employers in the valley paying a starting wage that is several dollars over the minimum (the minimum being the starting standard for most businesses here).

this last summer the disregard of common decency by locals and the trash left by locals on the Lodge property was out of hand. people would come up with their own bbq, set up a full-on camp on the lake, spend the day getting trashed and then leave with the bbq. their garbage they left sitting on the lake shore for the lodge staff to dispose.

when the locals start treating the land at ILL with respect and care, the situation will change. until that time, access will be likely be more controlled by the Lodge. in fact, it would not surprise me to to see motorized traffic be restricted guests of the lodge only. a summer policy similar to the winter policy.

and it would serve the locals right.

for the record, i’m a local. i don’t work for the lodge. i use the trails and IIL lands frequently in the summer. i don’t want to see it happen, but i know the hassles they had this summer. the land is open, preserved because of the value their paying guests place on the land and taking care of it. when locals come up and make it uncomfortable for the paying guests, something has to give.

and it’s the freeloaders. you toss the bums.

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