[jeff p-yo]

^I’m just saying that you may have come off a little ….oh, defensive of your territory…maybe.

sorry for the challenge, but after that long post of “hurdles” I needed to say something positive!!

It is good that you pointed out some of the concerns that not only you but other business owners in the area may be having, however, the overall feel of your post was a little ‘doom and gloom’.

Perhaps, I’m just a little sensitive to this sort of thing as an aspiring Fernie business owner.

To Wilko:

visit the town of Fernie sites on the web, keep up on the stats surrounding the area, check up on real estate and most importantly do the trip in January. Spend more time in and around Fernie to find out what’s really happening, cuz 2 weeks my friend, is NOT a long enough time!!

At any rate…carry on…

[jeff p-yo]

[quote:lvmlg2e3][b:lvmlg2e3]Hi

First, good luck if this is really what you want to do, but be warned it is bloody hard work and there are no garantees.

You should be aware that there are already 5 catered chalets in Fernie. Canadian Powder Tours in West Fernie (been here about 10 years, includes ski guiding in rates, owners are chef & ski instructor) Ghostrider Lodge on the Ski Hill (been here 4 years, sleeps 20, ski-in ski-out) Beavertail Lodge on the ski hill (been here 3 years, run by a top chef, all rooms en-suite) Elk View Lodge on Cokato road (been here 2 years, huge luxury lodge sleeps 22) Bear Trail Lodge at Alpine Trails (been here 1 year, owners are keen bikers so already have a good handle on the summer market) plus Alpine Lodge (ski hill) which is run along similar lines (B&B with full restaurant on premises) and Beaver Chalet B&B (in town) which offers a meal plan. Mountainside Inn on the ski hill was also purchased a year ago and the owners plan to run a catered chalet after their baby is born. Another chalet on the ski hill has also just been sold, and was previously run by Nielson as a catered chalet.

So first up there is no shortage of catered chalets in Fernie. Can you offer something better than one of those? That would be what you would need to compete. None of these businesses are overflowing with guests, and if I had a choice I would say Fernie has enough catered chalets for now, it could do with a few more in about 4 years.

Most are run by Brits (I think the only one that is not is Canadian Powder tours) When we opened ours (one of the above, I’ll keep you guessing) we visited all the other owners and recieved every possible response, from very welcoming to downright hostile. We’ve had exactly the same from the locals, some love the ski hill and realise that Canada is a nation of foreigners, others think hospitality is killing their little private town and driving house prices to levels locals can’t afford.

You’ll find that the water and sewer rates on the ski hill are crippling, and property tax (like council tax) is pretty painful.

Fernie has a great market in the UK, and about 75% of Brits who come here look at purchasing proprty – seriously.

The lifestyle is definately the thing to come for, but basically you need to be able to pay for it. After the first two or three years you might be achieving 50% average occupancy over the four month season. By the time you pay your food costs, fuel and hot-tub supplies, firewood, utilities & services plus advertising & marketing, you will be struggling to pay 12 months of mortgage on a property big enough to sleep 10 – 20 people plus staff (you). Summer rentals are next to none existant for catered chalets. You could try and do the B&B route, but there’s already several B&B’s in town. The rental agencies won’t give valuable summer business away to properties that are only available in the in the summer when they have lots of year-round clients that need their properties filled. The fishing guides all have their accommodation sorted. Mountain bikers want budget accommodation, not nice chalets.

You probably heard about the rain last season. In mid-January it rained heavily and non-stop for 48 hours, washing away most of the snow. We then had two weeks of nothing, and the ski-hill was all but closed. Then, hallelujah, it snowed, and snowed, and snowed, and all was well with the world again. Or was it? The reports of the rain had been pretty comprehensive, and overseas people were to scared to make the trip after that. We were lucky, we had a lot of advance bookings, but I know that one chalet only had 29 occupied nights for the entire season. They didn’t get a single enquiry after the rain, despite all the snow that fell in February.

And remember, catered chalets only appeal to Brits. Trying to attract the North American market is an uphill battle. They love it once they are there, but don’t count on getting any bookings in advance.

I’m not saying don’t do it, but think very very carefully before you make the commitment. Good luck if you do go ahead with it, and I’d be happy to meet with you and show you what we have done when you are over in January.[/b:lvmlg2e3][/quote:lvmlg2e3]

way to point out only the negative! afraid of a bit more competition are ya?

Wilko: I’ve been trying to making plans to set up shop in Fernie for quite some time now, only a different type of business, however I’ve got to say that this guy is totally trying to drive you away from realizing your dreams!!

Fernie is a growing year-round resort and although he’s right in saying that things will pick up in a number of years, it’s already started and now is the time to get a foot hold.

don’t let this guy turn you off.

In answer to your questions, these are my answers:

-go for close to town (walking distance) but preferably not in the south of town on the right bank of the river however (at least until they put another bridge in.).. if they ever do.
-properties may rise due other developments in the area besides the ski hill.
-there really isn’t any hostility towards “foreigners”.

hope this helps a bit anyways. I look forward to doing business with you in the future!!

[jeff p-yo]

is it still the Eldo? I thought that that building was sold over the past few months.

[jeff p-yo]

anyone???

[jeff p-yo]

no prob.

hope everything works out perfectly for ya. Enjoy yourself.

[jeff p-yo]

well. As long as we’ve helped this person out. That’s all that really should matter.

I”m just bitter that I’m not gonna be making it down to Fernie this season.

[jeff p-yo]

my bad.

[jeff p-yo]

^^^actually, I think it was Enterprise.
check here for rates;

http://www.enterprise.com/car_rental/home.do

[jeff p-yo]

[quote:c565euc9]A six person car will cost you a fortune for two weeks. Still it may be worthwhile.

A return shuttle to Fernie is about $110-125 per person return (though there is an awful Greyhound coach for a little less). That is at least $660

If you are staying in downtown Fernie, everything is walkable and you don’t need a car to get around. The shuttle to the hill is $2.50 each way if you prepay for a discount card. That is $420 to get the six of you to the hill and back for 14 days. Throw in a few cab rides for groceries etc. and the total is about $450.

That is $1,110 for some barebones transit. For a little extra, you may be better off with a car, so you can get home from the terrific aquatic centre without forming ice pellets in your hair.

Have a fun trip.[/quote:c565euc9]

This is absolutely [b:c565euc9]BAD[/b:c565euc9] advise!!!! I rented a Dodge Caravan in Calgary from Budget(I believe) last winter for a week for just $350. 2 weeks would be approx. $700. This is with unlimited milage! You would be crazy to spend that much for “barebones transit”!!!!!

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